{"id":179,"date":"2005-07-17T20:24:49","date_gmt":"2005-07-17T20:24:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/eclectic-bibliophile.com\/blog\/?p=179"},"modified":"2010-05-08T20:25:16","modified_gmt":"2010-05-08T20:25:16","slug":"monte-cristo-the-learners-and-the-learned","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/eclectic-bibliophile.com\/blog\/monte-cristo-the-learners-and-the-learned\/","title":{"rendered":"Monte Cristo: The Learners and the Learned"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Dant\u00e8s: \u201cYou must teach  me a small part of what you know\u2026.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Faria: \u201cAlas! my  child, . . . human knowledge is confined within very narrow limits; and  when I have taught you mathematics, physics, history, and the three or  four modern languages with which I am acquainted, you will know as much  as I do myself.\u00a0 Now, it will scarcely require two  years for me to communicate to you the stock of learning I possess.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dant\u00e8s: \u201cTwo  years!&#8230;Do you really believe I can acquire all these things in so  short a time?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Faria: \u201cNot their  application, certainly, but their principles you may; to learn is not to  know; there are the learners and the learned. Memory makes the one,  philosophy the other.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dant\u00e8s:\u00a0  \u201cBut can I not learn philosophy as well as other things?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Faria:\u00a0 \u201cMy son, philosophy, as I understand it, it reducible  to no rules by which it can be learned; it is the amalgamation of all  the sciences, the golden cloud which bears the soul to heaven.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>(<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/redirect?link_code=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;tag=mjtate-20&amp;creative=9325&amp;path=tg\/detail\/-\/0679601996\/qid=1121566467\/sr=8-2\/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl14?v=glance%26s=books%26n=507846\">The Count of Monte Cristo<\/a>, page 195)<\/p>\n<p>Interesting  commentary on education.\u00a0 Faria believes that he can teach the  principles of knowledge in two years, but that learning their  application will take longer.\u00a0 Memory makes learners, and philosophy  makes the learned.\u00a0 If he had expressed this in three stages instead of  two, I would say he was expressing the medieval Trivium of grammar,  logic, and rhetoric.\u00a0 Memory would certainly refer to the grammar stage,  and philosophy might combine logic and rhetoric.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;To learn is not to know.&#8221;\u00a0 How easy it is to  think we have &#8220;learned&#8221; something because we have been exposed to its  principles.\u00a0 But Faria suggests\u2014rightly, I think\u2014that we do not truly know something until we have  learned its application, until we have applied philosophy to it.\u00a0 I am  not positive what precisely he means by philosophy here, but at least we  could say that we do not truly know something until we have reflected  on it deeply.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d love to hear other folks&#8217; comments on  this passage.<\/p>\n<p>Mary Jo<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dant\u00e8s: \u201cYou must teach me a small part of what you know\u2026.\u201d Faria: \u201cAlas! my child, . . . human knowledge is confined within very narrow limits; and when I have taught you mathematics, physics, history, and the three or four modern languages with which I am acquainted, you will know as much as I &#8230; <a title=\"Monte Cristo: The Learners and the Learned\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"http:\/\/eclectic-bibliophile.com\/blog\/monte-cristo-the-learners-and-the-learned\/\" aria-label=\"Read more about Monte Cristo: The Learners and the Learned\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-179","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/eclectic-bibliophile.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/179","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/eclectic-bibliophile.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/eclectic-bibliophile.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/eclectic-bibliophile.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/eclectic-bibliophile.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=179"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/eclectic-bibliophile.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/179\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/eclectic-bibliophile.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=179"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/eclectic-bibliophile.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=179"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/eclectic-bibliophile.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=179"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}